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Spatial Analysis Of 4 v 4 At The Cage And 6 v 6 At Sports Planet

Posted by rajiv on 11 March 2009

We’ve managed to get 16 players for today after all, so we’re going ahead with a mini knock-out competition.

If we hadn’t gotten to 16 for tonight, Clive and Damian, who were in reserve for both tonight and tomorrow night, wouldn’t have gotten a game this week unless we either went up to 12 players tomorrow night, or they took the places of two of the five players playing two sessions this week  (in order of confirmations, Neil, Shankar, John J, Sushil and Chris) under the priority system (namely, the last two).

Rather than deprive anyone who confirmed early for a second session, I’d have been inclined to go to 6 v 6 for tomorrow at Sports Planet.  Fortunately, as Clive and Damian will get a game tonight, it is no longer an issue.

Our regular sessions are usually 5 v 5.

4 v 4 at The Cage has been a matter of some controversy, but it worked well the last time we tried it.  All the games tonight will be 4 v 4.

Likewise, I haven’t ruled out a 6 v 6 game at Sports Planet.  We played 6 v 6 at Sports Planet fairly regularly until the third quarter of last year.  The last time was on 2 September 2008.  I can’t believe we used to play 6 v 6 at The Cage even.  The last time was not much longer ago – on 27 August 2008.   Now that was crowded.

I earlier obtained the dimensions for the pitches at The Cage and Sports Planet.  I figure it would be useful to look at the area per player when it’s 4 v 4 or 5 v 5 at The Cage, and 5 v 5 or 6 v 6 at Sports Planet.

Venue Pitch Dimensons (approximate) Area per player (sq m)
Length (m) Breadth (m) Pitch area (sq m) 4 v 4 game 5 v 5 game 6 v 6 game
The Cage 25 15 375 46.9 37.5
Sports Planet 27 16 432 43.2 36.0
The Premier Pitch (5 v 5 pitch) Awaiting reply from the Premier Pitch
(within the lines)
29 19 551 55.1 45.9

For the sake of completeness, I have included or will include The Premier Pitch at Turf City and FICO at Jurong West.

The amount of space per player is only slightly more for a 4 v 4 at The Cage than it is for a 5 v 5 at Sports Planet.  Similarly, it is only slightly less for a 6 v 6 at Sports Planet than it is for a 5 v 5 at The Cage.

Any sense that a 4 v 4 at The Cage is too demanding, and a 6 v 6 at Sports Planet is too crowded, may be largely psychological.  Anyway, to compensate for the slight differences in area per player, I recommend that:

  • For a 4 v 4 at The Cage, we play to the side-lines, that is, the ball is considered out of play, and the game resumes with a kick-in, when it touches the the side walls.
  • For a 6 v 6 at Sports Planet, we continue to play off the nets at the end, that is, the ball is not considered out of play for a goal-kick or corner when it goes beyond the goal-lines.

However, for a regular session, it is up to the participants playing that session to decide.

Most of all, the options of going to 4 v 4 at The Cage and 6 v 6 at Sports Planet allow me a lot more flexibility with numbers, and will spare me a lot of work in that:

  • If we have 8 for The Cage, the session can go ahead without my having to try to find 1 or 2 more players.  If we have 16, we can go ahead with 2 sessions, or a mini-tournament.
  • If we have 12 for Sports Planet, I don’t need to apply the priority system (although if anyone is playing three sessions that week, I’ll still ask them if they’ll give up their place), or try to find 6 more players for a second at The Cage.  I’m not inclined to ask anyone who is playing a second session that week to give up their place, as I do try to assure everyone who wants to play once or twice a week and confirms early enough a place.

The poll on a 4 v 4 game currently stands as follows:

  • 8 votes for “I’d play in a 4 v 4 game with suitably modified rules” (67%)
  • 4 votes for “I’d rather withdraw from the session” (33%)

I may do an equivalent poll for 6 v 6 at Sports Planet.

In any event, 4 v 4 at The Cage or 6 v 6 at Sports Planet will remain the exception to the usual 5 v 5 sessions.

31 Responses to “Spatial Analysis Of 4 v 4 At The Cage And 6 v 6 At Sports Planet”

  1. […] Spatial Analysis Of 4 v 4 At The Cage And 6 v 6 At Sports Planet […]

  2. Reza said

    i seem to remember playing several 6 v 6 games at sports planet. (Slightly) less space meant better control on the ball but there was less end to end running. It’s probably better for your skills but not as much of a workout.

  3. Yuchi said

    Hey Guys,

    I was wondering if anyone wants to play @ SAFRA Tampines.
    May be an option for anyone who stays in the EAST.

    • rajiv said

      I’d be prepared to schedule a 5-a-side at SAFRA Tampines if there is sufficient interest Yuchi. Three considerations though:

      • The pitches are uncovered, so any session there would be vulnerable to rain.

      • It is much further east than either The Cage or Sports Planet, so it’s less convenient for those living centrally or to the west.

      By the way, how much is it per hour, and what are the dimensions of the pitch?

      Yuchi, would it be possible to get the 11-a-side pitch on a Saturday afternoon in May? How much would it be? I might try to arrange an intra-FIOFAFI 11-a-side game in May (to mark the first anniversary of our first-ever 11-a-side game 🙂 ).

      • yuchi said

        Futsal Pitch are $80.25 or $96.30 for 2 hours from 7pm to 11pm.
        Dimension are 25M x 15M

        I’m proposing havin 3 sessions at the 11-a-side Soccer Pitch at SAFRA Tampines.
        23 May: 3pm to 5pm.
        6 June: 5pm to 7pm
        20 June: 5pm to 7pm.

        The total for that will be $609.90 (no referee)
        $866.70 (with referee)

      • rajiv said

        I’m not sure about two-hour sessions Yuchi. Are the pitches available for one-hour bookings between 7 and 11 pm?

        If you’re keen to test the waters, you could try proposing a two-hour session under the current “Other Activities”.

        23 May 2009 would be good for an 11-a-side, but isn’t 5 to 7 pm available? Is that $288.23 per slot or is it a package? I don’t think three 11-a-side games within one month would be viable.

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  10. rajiv said

    Poll results:

    • The priority system should be applied strictly to keep it at 5 v 5 43% (3 votes)
    • I’d go ahead with a 6 v 6 game 29% (2 votes)
    • I’d withdraw, so that the game can go on as a 5 v 5 29% (2 votes)

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  14. rajiv said

    With 6 v 6 yesterday at Turf City, we played off the side nets. It worked out alright.

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  17. rajiv said

    6 v 6 at Sports Planet worked well on Wednesday night. It is something we can consider from time to time when we have more than 10 players.

    There have been reservations expressed before that 6 v 6 at Sports Planet is too crowded. Although it used to be a regular thing last year, we’ve only done so on one previous occasion this year – on 24 June 2009. The one other occasion it came up this year (on 23 April 2009), the session went ahead 5 v 5 due to withdrawals.

    • rajiv said

      5-a-side at Sports Planet, played off the side nets, has been very high scoring, with both sides scoring 15 to 20 goals. Again last night.

      I think the overall quality of our football has improved, and we can consider playing to the lines for 5-a-side at Sports Planet, and off the nets for 6-a-side.

    • rajiv said

      Reservations over 6-a-side at Sports Planet here.

      The norm at Sports Planet will remain 5-a-side. However, we’ll go to 6-a-side if more want to play that session and:

      • There are several new or newer players. A chance for those who play at Sports Planet to meet the new or newer players.


      • If a mid-week session is cancelled, or all the mid-week sessions are filled, I’ll try to accommodate more players by going up to 12 at Sports Planet.

    • rajiv said

      I considered a 6-a-side at Sports Planet for tonight, but in the end, it isn’t necessary.

      I’m trying to remember why 6-a-side worked out well on the earlier occasion but not the last occasion. I can’t remember how it was on that earlier occasion, but perhaps we played on the back nets as well, which increased the pace of the game.

  18. rajiv said

    Some discussion on 4-a-side at The Cage here.

    A poll was done earlier, here.

    I’m ok with 4-a-side, but I’m reluctant to cap numbers at 8. If we cap it at 10, even if a couple withdraw at a late stage, we can still continue with a 4-a-side game. If we only have 8 and a couple withdraw, the session will have to be cancelled unless we get replacements – not always possible at a late stage.

    Further, several of the regulars like the intensity of 5-a-side at The Cage played off the side wall.

  19. rajiv said

    Balach has made an interesting suggestion – proceed to play on the big pitch at Turf City even if we only have 6-a-side.

    It’s not something I’d thought about before. What do the other regulars on Sunday evening at Turf City think?

    A reminder that a big pitch is slightly bigger than twice a small pitch, and costs $160 (compared to $80). Playing 6-a-side on the small pitch works out to $6.67 per player. Playing 6-a-side on the big pitch would work out to $13.33 per player.

  20. Dan B said

    I think less people on more picthes is good in general if we can manage it. I would gladly play 6 a side on the big pitch, and even 4 a side on the little pitch.

  21. rajiv said

    4-a-side works quite well at The Cage, but even then, as set out above, there are reservations. The reason I stick with 10 per session is that even with a couple of late withdrawals, the session can still go on.

    4-a-side on the small pitch at Turf City or even Sports Planet would be tough, and I doubt it would be popular.

    Personally, I prefer 5-a-side on the small pitch at Turf City, although before playing on the big pitch became the norm , we usually had 6-a-side on the small pitch for the Sunday evening session. The FAFI game on Monday nights at Turf City aims for 6-a-side on the small pitch.

    For the big pitch at Turf City, my personal preference is 7-a-side, but 8-a-side is popular.

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