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Different Types Of Sessions, And Types Of Wins

Posted by rajiv on 4 April 2009

Our regular futsal sessions, played on weekday nights from 9 to 10 pm, have the following features:

Whether the session is played to the lines or not depends on whether the session is 5 v 5 (the usual case), or exceptionally, 4 v 4 or 6 v 6.  In a 4 v 4, whether scoring is restricted to within halfway, one third (not beyond the penalty spot) or at all is left to those playing.

If we have sufficient players, we could even have regular (monthly or weekly) 7 or 8-a-side games, or even 11-a-side games, within FIOFAFI.

In such sessions, players in the winning team earn 3 ranking points, while those in the losing team don’t get any ranking points.   In the event of a draw, every player earns 1 ranking point.

In place of two concurrent regular sessions at the same venue, we can from time to time have a 4-team mini-tournament.   A 4-team tournament can either be a mini-league or a mini knock-out competition.    The players in the team finishing first earn 3 ranking points,  those in the team finishing second earn 2 ranking points, those in the team finishing third earn 1 ranking point, and those in the team finishing fourth do not earn any ranking points.

We’ve had several other kinds of sessions apart from such regular sessions. In such other sessions, in order to encourage participation while still rewarding winning, each player gets 1 point for participation, and the players on the winning team get a bonus point for the win (in effect, two points for a win).

As we continue to encourage participation and limit competitiveness, there will be an increasing number of such other types of sessions.  Such other sessions are designed differently from regular sessions to meet particular needs or objectives, but require a sufficiently large pool of participants with that particular need or who fall within that particular objective.

Distinguishing “other sessions” from “regular sessions” will make less sense in time.   It might be simpler to refer to “regular sessions” as “3-point sessions” and “other sessions” generically as “2-point sessions”, based on the number of ranking points earned for a win.

Sessions that were designed differently from the outset would be 2-point sessions, for example:

  • A less demanding game, to cater for anyone who is over-40, coming back after injury, short on fitness, or looking for a more relaxed game, and newcomers.  There may also be scoring restrictions (within halfway or one-third) to encourage more passing.
  • A mixed session open to adult female participants.  We could either have one female player per team, or have entirely female teams with one male player per team.  Unfortunately, we only had one female player in the one mixed session we tried out, and haven’t had one since. 🙂

For now, such 2-point sessions will be scheduled at the weekend, or as the second session on weekday nights for which we have two sessions at the same venue and at the same time (as a further alternative to a mini-tournament).  If in the latter situation, the 3-point session is oversubscribed while the 2-point session is under-subscribed, any player who hasn’t played regularly, or the lower-ranked players, could switch from the 3-point session to the 2-point session.

Even if a session is scheduled as a 3-point session, it may in certain circumstances be recorded as a 2-point win.   Previously this has happened when 3 or more of the players in the session are unranked, in a closely contested session where it was uncertain whether the final result was a win for one side or a draw, and where the winning side used a substitute.

To regularise the point scoring, from 1 April 2009 onwards, a session is 2-points, or players in a 3-point session will be recorded as having a participation point or a 2-point win (as in a 2-point session) in any of the following situations:

  • One or more of the players in the session is a relatively new player who has not previously played in at least 5 sessions.   I wouldn’t want newer players to be thrown into highly competitive games before they are used to the FIOFAFI system.  If there is a more relaxed 2-point session going on at the same time at the same venue, then of course, such newer players should switch to that session.  Likewise, if any of the players hasn’t played for a fortnight or more.
  • It is uncertain or contested whether the final result was a win for one side or a draw.
  • Where there is a player swap after the session has started, while the points remain unchanged for the rest of the players, the points for the two players who swapped will be:
    • if made before halfway through the session, 2 points for the player that switched to the winning side, and 1 point for the player that switched to the losing side.
    • if made after halfway through the session, 1 point for the player that switched to the winning side, and 2 points for the player that switched to the losing side (3 if the losing side closed the gap after the swap was made).
  • The winning side uses a substitute.  If in a 3-point session, a player on the side that is in the lead cannot continue, and a substitute is available,  if the side that is leading wish to avoid having a final win becoming a 2-point win, a player from the losing side can switch to the winning side, and the substitute can come on for the losing side.
  • A significant part of the game is played with the losing side one player short.  Any player who does not complete a significant portion of the session may be given 1 point less than his team mates.

As Prabhakaran was playing only his third session on Thursday night, that session will be re-classified as a 2-point win.

While highly competitive sessions are fine and can be great fun, I’m trying to encourage participation and limit competitiveness, so over time, there will be more 2-point sessions, where the difference in points between winning and losing is less than in a 3-point session.

Ultimately, the aim of participation is sustainability and fun.

13 Responses to “Different Types Of Sessions, And Types Of Wins”

  1. […] Different Types Of Sessions, And Types Of Wins […]

  2. redseason said

    I’m trying to encourage participation and limit competitiveness, so over time, there will be more 2-point sessions, where the difference in points between winning and losing is less than in a 3-point session.

    Do we get a say in any of this? Or is it a fait accompli? (definition)

    (P/WK + (W1 x 3) + (W2 x 2) + D + L2 + V/5)/(P+S/WK) + (P/(S x 2))

    Re. “Different Types Of Sessions, And Types Of Wins” and the formula above, it seems to me that football is a simple game.

    Does anyone know of a site that one can visit in order to sign up to play 5-a-side football?

    • rajiv said

      Tom, you could simply ignore the rankings, the way many do. The rankings are just the easiest way for me to determine line ups.

      Alternative methods of deciding line ups have always been available, but I’m not going to administer those. I leave that to those playing each session to decide.

      Have you ever tried to understand FIFA rankings and UEFA coefficients? Does it stop you from watching international and European matches?

      Does anyone know of a site that one can visit in order to sign up to play 5-a-side football?

      You keep coming back though. 🙂

      Perhaps we should have an alternative slogan for you Tom: “Never Too Old To Scorn” 🙂

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  9. […] haven’t discussed a women’s session or a mixed session for a while now, but it has come up again […]

  10. rajiv said

    Actually, in a mixed session, it makes sense to have more female players in a team, so that it is the men adapting to the dynamic of a female game, rather than the women adapting to the dynamic of a male game.

    Or at least two females per team.

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